training for the shamrock marathon

January 2007

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Member Since:

Jul 03, 2007

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Goal Type:

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Running Accomplishments:

4:08 OBX marathon; 4:25 Richmond Marathon, 1:56 Shamrock half-marathon, 4:40 Buffalo marathon

Short-Term Running Goals:

run under 4 hours for the Shamrock Marathon in Virginia Beach

Long-Term Running Goals:

to qualify for the Boston marathon, run in NYC marathon

Personal:

married, no children, professor

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Total Distance
616.62
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3.00

I ran 3 miles while focusing on interval training. My first mile was around 10 minutes long, the second mile was around 8:59 minutes, and the third mile was completed around 7:50 minutes. I found that I run faster as I warm up. Right now, I am concentrating on interval training with a two minute rest period. Tomorrow, I will run four miles with a focus on keeping my miles under 8 minutes if possible. I will gradually increase my mileage everyday by one mile while trying to work on increasing my speed.

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4.00

4 miles of semi-hilly terrain with the sun setting. The temperature was around 85 degrees, and it was humid outside. I did interval training and continued with my plan to run intervals of a mile with a two minute break in between. Each day, I am increasing the amount of laps by one mile, and I plan to do so indefinitely until I get to the half-marathon mark (around 14 laps, I'll round up the number). My goal is to run each of these laps at least under 9 minutes for the time being. I would like to be close to my goal of reaching one mile times under 7:21 because my qualifying time for the Boston Marathon would be under 3:16. So far, I have only run a marathon in 4:26 minutes or so (the Richmond Marathon). The upcoming marathon I am training for will be on the 11th of November in the Outer Banks. It is a qualifying marathon for the Boston Marathon. Today, I ran 4 laps with an average time of 8:30. I will have to cut this time by one minute. I am going to have to try to run at a different time of day tomorrow. It would be best to run in the night because it was hot outside, and the sun was very strong. I need to run faster and must concentrate on running faster. It would also be good if I lost some weight. I have gained 6 pounds since my last marathon, and I now weigh 175 pounds, which is slightly overweight (I am 5'9).

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treadmill

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I ran 3 miles in 33 minutes onhilly terrain in Washington, DC.

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I ran 3 miles in 25:30, with some rest in between because the temperature was 94 degrees under the sun. I plan to run another 3 miles on the treadmill, and then another 3 outside if time permits. I hope I can keep running miles under 9 minutes on the average.

 

Comments
From Sasha Pachev on Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 12:38:31

Welcome to the blog! I ran Richmond in 2003. Have you ever raced a 5 K, and if yes, what is your best time?

From zenflare on Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 08:11:08

No, only with my Garmin. I have run a 5 miler, a 10 miler (at the University of Virginia), the Shamrock half-marathon twice in Virginia Beach, the Buffalo Marathon, and the Richmond Marathon. With the 5k, my estimated best time would be a little under 28 minutes. My problem right now is increasing mileage while concentrating more on speed training. When I trained for marathons earlier, I ran many long runs of around 15-20 miles or at least a half-marathon distance once per week and ran 5 miles per day.

From Sasha Pachev on Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 11:52:14

You just beat your 5 K PR in this run in essence. To figure out how you should train, I would recommend the following test: run a mile all out and time it. Then maybe a week later ideally find a certified 5 K with a flat course, in the absence of that, just do a 5 K time trial. Then maybe a week later do a 10 K time trial. The comparison of your mile speed vs your 5 K and 10 K performance will highlight your areas of strength and weakness and show what you should focus on.

If I had to make a guess without those tests, I would say that your mile speed right now probably greatly exceeds your 5 K performance, and your 5 K performance would lag behind your 10 K performance. When comparing the distances, I use a standard performance equivalence comparison chart/calculator. There are many out there on the web, including this site, just click on the Predictor link above.

If my assumptions are correct, you will get the best results by gradually increasing the mileage to the highest you can handle running 6 days a week. Right you could probably start at 3 miles a day with maybe 6 once a week, and then keep adding progressively.

From zenflare on Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 09:53:54

Thank you for your advice. I am going to see how fast I can run a mile all out and time it today. Then tomorrow, I'll do a 5 k and time it again. Then, I will do a 10 K longer run. I think my 10 K used to be around an hour or so. I didn't get a chance to run yesterday because of other obligations. I am going to concentrate on getting better times all around, but as you said, I need to increase my mileage. I'll let you knowwhat happens with the mile speed.

Total Distance
3.00

I didn't run enough in terms of distance tonight, but I was able to accomplish one of my most recent goals, a mile under 7:21, the qualifying time for the Boston Marathon for my age group. My last mile was completed in 7:16, which is an achievement for me because I intend to qualify for the Boston Marathon this November. Tomorrow night, I will try to run at least 5 miles, with at least one of the miles under 7:21.

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3.11

I ran a 5K in 25:13, with a sub-8 minute mile during the last lap. I've been really busy lately, so I missed running yesterday. I am concentrating on speed training because I didn't concentrate on getting a better mile pace when I trained for my first two marathons. I am planning on running two 5ks a day, one in the morning and one in the evening, in order to prepare for the marathon. I could do one long run per week (a half-marathon distance). That would give me above 40 miles a week if I keep disciplined. I have improved my average 5k time by about 5 minutes (before, I was averaging around 30 minutes).

Concentrating on improving my mile time has helped enormously.

Total Distance
1.00

6:44 minutes time. I just wanted to see how fast I could run in 90 degree weather!

 

Total Distance
6.22

I ran 6.22 miles (10 K) in 52:43 seconds. It was surprising that I started out running 8 and 9 minute miles and finished off running sub-8 minute miles. I am planning on running more 10 Ks because I apparently can maintain a faster pace than I expected. Now, I will try to beat this record this evening and run another 10 k, a little faster than 52:43 seconds if possible. The weather was very humid, and it began raining heavily during my last mile. I am trying to run during the night because the humidity and the sun are unbearable during the day.

 

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3.11

25:45 seconds

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I practised interval training today with 1/2 mile intervals, with an average of a 3:45 pace. It was hot outside, but there was a breeze. I had cramps around the 7th mile. At one point, I ran a 3:05 1/2 mile. I haven't had time to run as much as I would like.

I am planning on running again tonight if possible.

 

Comments
From Sasha Pachev on Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 14:31:52

Focus on mileage rather than speed right now. You should not try to make up with intensity what you lack in mileage - it might work for a 5 K somewhat, but will not save a marathon. Just try to get organized and put in the miles. Sometimes it takes creativity - e.g get up a little earlier, park a mile away from your destination when doing errands, and run there and back, see if some not so necessary or productive daily activities could be simplified or eliminated, etc.

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3.11

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5.00

A pleasant jog through Binghamton,NY to South Mountain

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A jog through downtown Binghamton

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5.00

I jogged 5 slow miles across Binghamton to a mountain. I was running one mile intervals with an average pace of 9 minutes per mile.

Comments
From Scott Zincone on Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 08:39:14

Hello there,

Just discovered your blog. I am in the Outer Banks right now ! The local paper had an article in it yesterday about the OBX Marathon. If I could ever get healthy enough I might try the half one year. My family goes on vacation here every Summer and I lived in Manteo for 3 years in the late 80's. I know the course is flat, except for the bridge, but I have always wondered what it would be like if a strong wind from the South would effect the runners.

Good luck in your training.

From zenflare on Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 07:46:47

Hey, thanks for the message. I think that you will be able to run the half marathon or even the marathon if you train consistently. I'd do 3-5 miles a day and then run a half marathon. I love the Outer Banks and go surfing there (kiting and regular surfing). I guess I'll find out if a strong wind will affect me

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It was very hot outside.

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slow pace... I should do interval training. It is getting cooler in the night, which will help me pick up some speed.

Comments
From Scott Zincone on Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 06:00:59

I noticed you had not posted in awhile. I hope you are still running though. I just wanted to mention that the South Hill YMCA is having a 5k & 10K on October 20th. For more information on it you can call them at 434-447-9622. A few fast runners sometimes show up, but mostly it just your average speed runners like me. I was 3rd in the 10K last year with a 42:51. I just started to run again on 9/1 after a 4 month layoff due to injury. I am hoping to run the 5K this year. I hope you can make it. Local races in Southside Virginia need all the local participation they can get so they will keep having them.

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Today, I felt tired and out of shape. I think I've gained 2-3 pounds, and it was hot outside, so running wasn't too pleasant. However, I felt much better towards the end of my run. I am trying to work on not concentrating on my time, mileage, or speed. Instead, I am trying to dissociate from the excessive emphasis on running fast; I am looking at the trees, the sky, or a point in the distance as I run. Ultimately, I want to pick up more mileage, and I want to concentrate on running faster, but only as a side-effect of the pleasure that I receive from running. I want running to be an experience of letting go achievement-style mindset that I have in my daily life. 

My main advice to myself is to do more half-marathons. It is difficult because I am commuting large distances and teaching many courses, writing a book, etc. I have a little more than a month until my marathon, so this weekend, I will do a long run. If I need to walk at one point, I will walk if necessary (I may be too out of shape at this point to run the full marathon, although I hope I will be able to do it). I'd like to increase my mileage.

This long run should at least be 20 miles.
 

Comments
From Scott Zincone on Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 21:16:07

Glad to see you are blogging again and to see you have kept up with your running. Not sure if you saw a message I left about a month ago or not. The South Hill YMCA has a 5k and 10k on October 20th. Not many local races in Southside Virginia so I thought you might be interested. You can use them as a training run for November.

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My time was around 1:53 hours for the half marathon.

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I think my main error in my training for this upcoming marathon was not to log in enough long distance runs. In August, I tried to train intervals, thinking that I would increase my speed and not concentrate on mileage. Then, my semester teaching began, and it was no longer possible to make up for lost mileage without running at least one long run per week (at least 10 miles or more, preferably a half-marathon or more). In October, I ran at least one long run every week, which helped me a great deal. I even ran a half-marathon and achieved my best time ever (1:53). However, I am not sure that I will even beat my existing time for the marathon, 4:25, because I should be logging in consistently 35 miles per week minimum. My future goal will be much more humble: to run the Shamrock Sportsfest Marathon, but to train consistently until the race by running at least a half-marathon per week. I am going to concentrate much less on speed/interval training and work on improving my long distance runs by running more of them. I feel that if I run a half-marathon per week, I will significantly improve my time.

Winter is the best time of the year to train! 

I still think that I will be able to beat my existing time, 4:25, because I have willpower and strength of mind.

 

Comments
From Scott Zincone on Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 21:28:27

Good Luck this weekend !

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1.00

Total Distance
26.36

I ran the OBX marathon in Nags Head. I placed 45th for my age group with a time of 4:08, which is an improvement over my last time. I felt pretty good throughout the entire course and was able to beat my previous time of 4:25. Now, I will try to get under 4 hours while preparing for the Shamrock marathon. My new strategy will be to do a long run of 20 miles every Sunday rain or shine. That way, I will be more accustomed to running long distances. I also will try to increase my overall weekly mileage to over 40 miles per week.

Since I am an amateur, I will concentrate less on speed training and more on getting at least the mileage per week I would need to train effectively for a marathon.

All in all, I am satisfied with the improvement I made.

 

Comments
From Scott Zincone on Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 02:28:20

Great Race, and congrats on the PR.

I was thinking about the half marathon at Shamrock. I ran the 8K 3 or 4 times in the mid-eighties. But looking at hotel rates it is going to expensive.

From josse on Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 14:11:23

Great job on the PR. This is what I would do with your long runs only do a 20 plus every other week and on the other long run do 13-18 with most of the miles at marathon pace. This will allow your body to repair better and then you will also be acustom to the pace as well.

From MichelleL on Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 15:25:55

Congratulations on the improvement! I agree that the biggest bang for your buck is to increase your mileage, and I would increase it gradually beyond 40. With 20 mile long runs you should be able to easily hit 50 mpw and beyond.

From zenflare on Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 19:11:11

Thank you. I am going to take the advice about alternating the 20 mile runs with a faster paced longer run (13-18 miles).

I hope everyone else has success as well in their endeavors.

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I had a really refreshing run. I am concentrating on simply enjoying running. Running can be a process of meditation, of letting go of stress, and of deep relaxation. Being outdoors is a plus as well. Running is a spiritual exercise; speed can come as a by product of relaxation. While my goal is to achieve a better time, I am always focused on relaxing and being aware as I run.

Comments
From MichelleL on Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 16:36:25

What are you a professor of (and at what school if you are willing to disclose)? My hubby is a professor in Information Systems at BYU. My husband works out research issues in his head as he runs. I wouldn't say I meditate, but it does provide quite a bit of stress relief. So I assume the Shamrock marathon is in mid-March?

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